For Christmas I got Grant a cook book on how to make pies. In NZ they eat savory meat pies and in America that is not popular at all. He has been able to find one place that sells pies, its an Australian bakery, but its not that close to us and he said its kinda expensive. Sooo he has made one attempt at making pies so far and he said they are good, but a little dry. Of course he didn't follow any directions from the book accept for the crust so we will be trying again soon.
I will let you know how the next attempt goes.